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I didn't get the manager's position at work.

I'm not totally sure why yet, and of course I'll never know for sure, but so far, I'm still in the dark. Jayme, the guy who was on my team at one time called me in to tell me that they had gone with someone else, and that he and Ed (not Big ED) would be getting with Lisa and I in the near future to tell me some "things to improve upon" to make me a more desirable candidate next time.

Otherwise known as "reasons we have to tell you you didn't get this, that may, or may not have anything to do with why you didn't get it, but we have to tell you something."

I know I messed up in the interview. I can't deny this. I was prepared for something that wasn't the standard "STAR" system (by the way, Jim - or anyone else, I could use some coaching on that), and I blew that opportunity, but I clearly have an idea now that I really didn't have much of a chance...and here's why.

Rob got the job.

See, I found out before Jayme even came over to tell me I was out, which is always bad. The rumor was already out there before those who were candidates could be told they weren't chosen. This is a bad breech of confidence. It shouldn't happen.

I found out before lunch, and managed to complain to Screaming Amy all during lunch, along with fellow snubbed candidate Jerome. Neither one of us liked the pick. Neither one of us is one who thinks we'll be here, in this department forever. Perhaps this is a negative for us both, still, this isn't something to take into account.

It's telling that Rob is about my polar opposite. Stuffy, by-the-book, pompous. He's basically an ass. It's definitely a sign to me that they were trying to get away from having someone too much like Ed and Jamie for the third manager on the team. I guess they were worried that thugs would become too lax, or there would be too many rule-breakers for one team. I suppose I can understand this strategy.

Unfortunately for them, Rob's a very, very wrong choice. Rob's never had to do quality analysis, and Rob has never had to actually coach other people. Rob's been on a specialty team for the last four years, and hasn't been exposed to many of the day-to -day operations of running a team as the other candidates the was up against. I feel very, very sorry for the supervisors under him.

So, what does this mean for me? It means I move on. Any last hope of making something out of this department is gone. I guess I didn't have that high of a hope when I went into the interview, and unfortunately, that may have clouded it. Still, it clears my path to get out and make way for something new. I'm done here.

I'm glad for the experience that I've gained, and no, I'm not just leaving, nor do I just stop and give up, but I do focus more on getting out than ever before. There's no more "what ifs". I'll take Jayme and Ed's advice, use what I can, and move on.

Next.

"reasons we have to tell you ... "

Date: 2005-01-25 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henare.livejournal.com
actually, they don't have to tell you anything. most folks in this countries are employees-at-will, and an employer doesn't have to give a reason why you were retained, promoted, or dismissed (as long as they are otherwise acting within the law).

so ... if they're going to give you constructive feedback you should be open to it. of course, if you use it to find a new position somewhere else, that's good too ...

Re: "reasons we have to tell you ... "

Date: 2005-01-25 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eggwards.livejournal.com
You're correct, the company doesn't have to do it, as a company, but it is company policy to do this, so yes, these guys have to do it. I've had to do the same for people looking to join my team, too.

I will take the feedback, because i need the feedback on how I'm doing as far as interviewing, how I can make myself more marketable, etc. Hopefully it will be useful.

Date: 2005-01-25 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] handlebear.livejournal.com
The rumor was already out there before those who were candidates could be told they weren't chosen.

Not only is a breach of confidence, It's a morale buster. Texas must have really weak privacy laws.

Date: 2005-01-25 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eggwards.livejournal.com
it had nothing to do with privacy laws, it had everything to do with loose lips. Someone didn't keep a secret.

It's not the first time.

Date: 2005-01-25 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jdvsqz.livejournal.com
Perhaps this Rob eats his vegetables???

I kid.

Any contructive feedback would be good; just chalk up the interview as experience.

Good luck next time.

Date: 2005-01-25 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aadroma.livejournal.com
What more can I say? I'm sorry this didn't happen for you nena. If Rob tanks, they'll know they made a wrong decision NOT choosing you. (HUG)

Date: 2005-01-25 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dedos.livejournal.com
*HUGE HUGS*
This just means you're gonna get an even better job in the Big-D.

Date: 2005-01-25 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goofycubb.livejournal.com
I am sorry honey! next time!

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